Title:
PP/GC/PO/253 Letter from Lord Ponsonby to Henry John Temple, third Viscount Palmerston, concerning a report of a conversation between the Prince of Samos and the Russian dragoman, Haudgerle about the dismissal of Akiff Effendi and the dispute with France over Egypt, 15 July 1836
Date:
15/07/1836
Content:
Letter from John Ponsonby, second Baron Ponsonby, later first Viscount Ponsonby, British ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary at Constantinople, [Constantinople], to Henry John Temple, third Viscount Palmerston: he encloses notes of an actual conversation between the Prince of Samos and Prince Haudgerle, the Russian dragoman. 15 Jul 1836 It was received on 4 August 1836. Enclosed are notes of a conversation held between the Prince of Samos and Prince Haudgerle on the 1 July 1836: [Transcript] "On the 1 July [1836]. the P. [Prince of Samos] told M. [Dr Macguffog] that the P. [Prince of Samos] had a conversation with Haudgerle by his [word underlined on manuscript] desire to present a box for the Emperor Nicholas, at which conversation Haudgerle brought forward the dismissal of Akiff Effendi, saying it could have very bad effects. That the demands of Ld P. [Lord Ponsonby] were quite incompatible with the state of things, that the Russians had done all they could to prevent the dismissal but now that it had taken place what [f.1v] could be said to the Emperor after the promise given by the Sultan that Akiff Effendi should not be turned out. The P. [Prince of Samos] said he did not see what mischief could arise out of the dismissal * that * . The Eng. [English] amb [ambassador] has positively declared he would no longer communicate with Akiff Effendi; that Akiff had long been ill and could not attend his office and the Sultan for more than 18 months had been thinking of removing him. Haudgerle said Ld P. [Lord Ponsonby] had threatened a ? pashalic of the Empire and stated what had been said at Toplitz by the Emperor of Russia. The Prince [of Samos] replied [f.2r] that I had not threatened a pashalic but had ?..... out what the consequences to be of a quarrel between Turkey and England. Haudgerle asked what those English generals were come here for ? The P. [Prince of Samos] said England in common with other nations had been asked for officers and they had been sent out. Naval officers also have been asked for and probably would soon come. Haudgerle said there was something doing relative to Egypt and * [illegible] * that the French ambassador had sent an instruction by his dragoman on that [f.3r] subject and on the nature of treaties between England and France respecting Egypt, that is for maintaining the status quo. The P. [Prince of Samos] replied what could the French ambassador say about treaties, the Prime Minister of France had lately declared this opinion and resolution of the French government as to the communication with England that he, the P. [Prince of Samos] had not heard of any instructions or note sent to the French ambassador. Haudgerle remarked that what the Prime Minister said was only newspaper news. [A line has been drawn on the manuscript at this point]. The P. [Prince of Samos] went to Porte and there found the French ambassador's instructions had [f.3v] been that day sent in and to the following purport \ and in the ambassador's own handwriting /. That certain persons with bad intentions (who he would not undertake to name) had given it be understood by the Porte, that England was well disposed to decrease the force of Egypt, but that the indisposition of France neutralised all their intentions. 'He did not know what Ld P. [Lord Ponsonby] may have said to the Porte by he knew that such is not the language of his cabinets. The cabinets of England and France are for maintaining peace in the east as a proof of the sincerity of France, it was France alone [f.4r] that pushed Mehemet Ali to send the tribute. The P. [Prince of Samos] is of the opinion that all this was done with an understanding with Russia and the belief the * diplomatic * ministers of Russia, Austria * ..... * are all agreed upon writing to their courts to obtain my recal [recall]." 4 Jul 1836
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Subject:
Ottoman Empire, Sublime Porte, Turkey $$ Prince Haudgerle or Hauchery, dragoman to the Russian embassy at Constantinople
Stephen Vogorides, Prince of Samos, known in Turkey as Istefanaki Bey
Dr Samuel MacGuffog, physician at the British embassy at Constantinople
Tsar Nicholas I, Emperor of Russia
Akif Muhammad Effendi, alias Akiff Mehmed Pasha, former Reis Effendi or Turkish Minister for Foreign Affairs
William Churchill, British journalist [sometimes described as a merchant] in Constantinople; Churchill affair: Churchill accidentally shot a Turkish boy at Scutari and was severely bastinadoed and thrown into the bagnio, Ponsonby demanded senior members of the Porte, such as the Reis Effendi, be dismissed from the Turkish government
Mahmud II, Ottoman Sultan
Admiral Albin Reine, Baron Roussin, French ambassador at Constantinople
Monsieur Lapierre, dragoman to the French embassy at Constantinople
Louis Adolphe Thiers, President of the Council of Ministers of France
Muhammad Ali Pasha, alias Mehemet Ali, Viceroy or ruler of Egypt
Apollinariy Petrovich Buteniev, alias Boutenieff or Butenev, Russian envoy extraordinary and minister plenipotentiary at Constantinople
Bartholomeus, Baron von Sturmer, internuncio or Austrian ambassador at Constantinople
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