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Jt VY 4, 1878.
SOUTHAMPTON TIMES AND HAMPSHIRE EXPRESS—COUNTY
SOUTHAMPTON TOWN COUNCIL.
:##### I wwr, W. II. Newman. KmanueL J.I' Pas*euK*r. ! J: irtloit. and Aslatt; Senior Bailiff Harford ;• Junior-Warren: Messrs. Al^ahem (eE-Mayer). Cleee-Inn!. Banff 11 &***»"' Mdlrr.W hitchurch, rhomas, P. lVrkins. J.I'.. S. S. I earec, Roger*, J.I'.. lUrtnall. Ix' heuvro, J.P.. Driver, Weston, Parmenter, l-h l-i ar.!. I.nii-lt'V. John*, Looj»er, Hirl>er, .I.P., H. O. puulop. .1.1'.. anil (.. Dunlop, J.P. I he absent mem-l„ ts of the Council were A Merman lamb, J. P.; Messrs. linii, l.inford, Oswald, and \\ Perkins.
. WriOlltS AND MEAHURIX
■j TV u«o»l .|u*rterly re|*>rt of the Imapmrtor of Weight* ami ■ M.-.oitv*. 4-' . wah read, allowing ttat the treclpt* for stamping , |;.|l Ik. ii L* l'>«. >1., which hid I wen lull to the jUorough u Jyer The convictions during the adulteration of fowl (one summons out of tlx .:*illHlrmMi\*:L4aL:i.
from me i»v». I . .■». "•»»«"« me .Mayor ann
' i\.r|Min»tion to attcml .St. Michael * Church u|>on a Sun-! day morning cmrcnicnt to thcmmclre*, when, at the : of the usual morning service, a sermon would ho
• reached in anl «? the fund for restoring the bells, i tower, ami spire of the church, to meet the expenses , of which some £.V2 waa still required.
! The Mavok stated that he had accented the invita-
• ti' ii. and fixed the 12th of May mm the day on which ho
• would attend the church with other members of tho i',^*watMm.
tim school noAiu> a*n tiieir funds.
A letter was read from Mr. W. B. Randall, J.P., ! loirman of the School Boanl. asking, aa Rome difficulty : hi! presented itself in committee al>out signing a : , hei|tie for £3110 remnred by tho Board, the Town Clerk . to get it signed at the next meeting of the Council. ; The Town Cl.KRK mentioned that tho cheque coulil . not be signed in committee through one member of tho : , Miimittee refusing to affix his signature thereto, and - tho Finance Committee would not meet again for over j week. The £*JlM was on account of tho immediate ' expense* of the Boanl. and it was in toe jmwer of the
i* X proper working of the business of the town. In the course of some discussion which followed. Mr. Di>,top'proposed as an amendment that Mr. Furber's Snwrirr* *** ' M'1 thi* w" ,econded by the i put to the meeting with the

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opening In the locality
Accordingly s_ inspect the works



r they might request
ive effect to the request of the School Heard Air. Pfarck propose), ami Mr. Aiiraha'm' seconded, tint a cheque be signed, tho latter mentioning that there were' only three member* «.f the committee present v hen the cheque was about to be signed, and Mr. Warren refused his signature.
Mr. I.t Fevviie thought they were bound to pay the : having Ik *
ded itiutt c of collection.
. :t.r w.1* Mail from Mr. N-tretsry Cnw. thujome Depart-t. Whitehall. stating that hrr Majesty was pleased to enlarge i'Mi- by which the bye-law relating to the wearing of collars mvle by the (Vtincil of the bororgh «f Southampton
> o|-cratlon for seventy
beio considered, it wa» re*ol*«d tfiat —
referred to bo mailc by tlio »*«i«tant borough
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°j .io fef*•th® gr°nncatyng was found aQuantity VKtsTmfth* i of « ««o and watery character. The cutting
nigged, and cement was found, but it was not set. The fourth
Iviaesgafoat the
The Town Clerk reported the receipt of V letter from the Worshipful Company of Turners, with reference to an exhibition at which prizes arc to bo offered by tlicnt and it was resolved, as was done last year, to call attention to the fact by inserting an advertisement in the local newspaper*.
AiiyrnTMM M;muc xmrnm*.
Mr. I.k 1'kvvre wanted to know whv tho public meeting to be held at Portuwood on the following Friday had not l»cen advertised in the local newspapers;
The M.vvor. replied that it was only late on Monday mfrangcmmtm were *Bceted for the n*e of the rooms where tl.c meeting was to l>e held, and it was thd
thty in th i-»r i Jauiiuatioo, and all fc«» raid up to the cod of
The estimate for the borough rate for the ensuing six months showed the probable ex)>etiMr. Abraham moved the adoption of the report, expressing tho hope that the arrangements they were making as,to the fees received at the police court, would put that matter upon a proper basis, and remarking that tho Finance Committee would take care that the account* were kept in a business like manner. Ho regretted that Mr. Le Feuvrc had left the committee, but the estimate for the rate had ^cen got out in the
Mr. Piimtard seconded the projiosition.
Mr. II. DLNLor called attention to the large amount of money spent by the School Board, and said he thought every School Board ought to havo their accounts thoroughly examined and properly audited. His opinion was that tho School Board were a rather extravagant body in this town (" no, nd," and " I deny it" from Mr. PlltrPARn). He still adhered to the opinion he had expressed, and as the Covernment found it necessary to provide for the auditing of all Poor I.aw accounts, and surcharged all unnecessary expenditure, he should like to see the same principle applied to School Boards, and also to Cor|>orations.
Alderman Passenher agreed with Mr Dunlop as to the desirability of all accounts being audited, though whether the School Board accounts were audited in the manner indicated or not he could not say ; but he wished it to lie understood that it did. not grt forth from that Council that they regarded the School Board as an extravagant body. Although the member* of that Board ex|-ended large sums of money, he believed they carried out their work a* economically and am efficiently as they could. A large amount of money had. no doubt, to be expended upon education, but we should reap the advantage of it in the future. \
Mr. Ft'hrer said no doubt tney got value for their money, but he did notknow who was responsible for tho making out of the rates.
The Town Cl.krk said the borough treasurer made out the estimate, and ho (the Town Clerk) had assisted him in this instance, Mr. Jcllicoe being new to the duties.
Mr. Ft RRKR said he hoped tl iture th«J esti-
mate would ho got out in a tot v. icrcnt form to •what they were now. and lie nrgcu .at they ought to have information mm to the whole of the linos due on leases— as to how much wm duo and how much wa- in arrear. Then what amount of fees, &c.. had been received from Mr. Eldridge (magistrates' clerk) up to the prfeet lime.
The Mayor': (31.
Mr. I.r. Fki-vuk »aid £1-21 had been paid in actual -•ish, and £40 for stamp fees, making a total of £170, a* against £231, the gross amount received up to a
Mr. Fi iiiikr said the estimated amount of fees from the fist of February to tho.'llst'of October was L7I2 10s., irt I In -ubmittcd that them: were not the proper figures
th.t I?. hVjmS
IUt ten maile a statement to tho committee In North-road that he * ml personal! v su|wrintendefull of water during the nrogrrasof the work*, which circumstance compelled him to keep three pumra going,luring the whole of tho
I iMigged and cemented ; thatdncl"he'%npWWn he had mads many connections from house*, and In every case
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I Ml** !«'d In Adelaide road, as well as In other road* In the | district, and that in every instance the pl|«s were pro|*rly : l'"""J cemented : that from j*rsonal experience he con-sidcred It »as tmpnsmlWs to find cement after it hail been laid i over pipe* io wet trenches; and that In Dundee-road he had mailer several house connections, and It
that hi upwards of fifty dim-rent placcTfn the district'he "ha j seen the pipes laid, and that they were all Bugged and cemented; that he was of opinion the works were " tirst-r.ite," and that be considered it a perfect system of drainage, and the works kad 1-ecn properly done. Mr. llennctt stated tliat In putting In a surface drain in Duke »-ruad, St. Deny*, for privato improvement, the msin ilrsin was uncovered, and the joints wore found to bo pugged and cemented. The committee afterwards in-s|>ei tcd the manhole in fct Deny s-ruad. and found It was workiog well: as aUo the w -rks In the mes.low at ML Denjs, and tin Town U-rk wn directed to give Mr. Salter notice Im •iiilt the cottage and land there. At a subsequent meeting ol the committee, held on the Ist of May. tho re poll of the visit made to the works wa, spi rused.
Mr. C P. PRRKIN*. IO m- vhw Uw aileptwo of the report, expressed surprise that Mr. turber rhoulil have oppo-cd tho consideration at the present time of the report of the Special Works Committee, as he should ' have thought be would havo bee* anxious that those assembling at the forthcoming public met ting should be I in possession of all the iuformstiou obtainable respect ' ing the Port*wood drainage work*. He gave in detail, and with some explanations, the facts contained in the report, and spoke of care having been taken to go into ' the matter thoroughly. As to tho requisition for tho calling of a public meeting, he wondered where they ' g"t tho signatures from, because when tho committee had l*em at th* w,*km fiom time to time mo erne came to Complain that the work had been dono badly, but all i those that did come forward expressed the opinion thst it hail l>ccn thoroughly and practically carried out. With regard to the cement—and ho might observe in I t>a*sing that ho extremely regretted to hear that Mr.
Skholm warn most dangcroemly ill-munpom:mK that I throughout tho whole seven miles of works tho pi|>cs wero uncemented, what would that represent! They had taken the trouble to inquire, and it amounted to this-3) tops of cement at £2 We. per tea, £10 G*. 3d; labour, £&;; total, £4;» t'»*. 3d. So that if it really came to tho worst, £43 was all that tho Council would bo able to deduct from the contract.
Mr. Arraiiaii seconded the adoption of the report.
Mr. Lg FguvRR said there being no expression of satisfaction in this report, he could not help thinking that the best thing would be to pass on to the next
Alderman Lomer wanted to know whether, Mr. Lemon (Borough Surveyor) having stated that cement was necessary, and Mr. Killy stating that it was wholly unneceamary.-^he committee were mo guided by th* .opinion of the latter that they preferred it to the opinion of their own surveyor!
Mr. G. P. Perkins said it wa
under certain conditions that__________________
unnecessary, but in drawing out such a contract the surveyor would put In cement in every case as a matter of protection. The specification in no contract, particularly in one of this nature, would be carried out in its entirety.
would be perfectly useless ; it would
Air. Furber took it that cement was used in preference to common mortar because it should not wash away. I he Deputy Chairman of tho Special Works Committee seemed anxious to explain away every little defect, but really the reports had only amounted to the same thing three times over. What they had to do was to satisfy the public mind that the work had been done right, and that warn why he was desirous of bringing forward the motion standing in his name upon "
be able to tell them about the matter.
Alderman Jones said he had seen some extensive works which had been carried out elsewhere, and he was informed that they would not think of introducing cement in cases like those spoken of, as it would all be washed away.
Mr. Cleveland said no doubt cement would hold better than mortar, but the opinion of practical men was against the use of cement in a wet trench ; though in circumstances where the pugging would be likely to crack, it would be needed, because the cement, being dry and hard, would keep it close. He did not think they need waste much time over this matter ; though he would remind them of the evidence of two practical men. Messrs. Butler and Budden, who were not only resident* of Port*wood, but owners of property there. They said that they-found the work had been done satisfactorily, that cement had been usod, and that tho joints had been properly pugged.
The SiiERirp said he did not know that he have said anything hut for remarks which had appeared in the public Press and tho action taken by certain^ parties, who represented the matter aa a personal ode between those who had taken up this subject atjvl Mr. Lemon. He disclaimed any feeling of that kind ; but it had been his anxious desire that tho people of Ports-wood should be perfectly satisfied, when the work Was finished, that they had their money's worth. He merely asked the Special Works Committee to take practicsl measures to me* how the work was carried out ; and ho congratulated them upon their present report this far, that they had left out the word " satisfactory." He did not think Mr. Lemon would say that cement was not required under water. His (tho ShorifP*) opinion wa* that't would set under water, and that the use of Portland cement was it* setting in places whero nothing ! viae would set. The Sheriff then referred to tho use of cement in ship*, and said as to the cost of ccmcnting
»esj-Kting the appointment of a special committee to go into iho financial position of the ty thing of Porta wood, and to report upon the condition of the works' being
of piping, tho pipe* being 2fL apart, ho put
for each pipe, tho v.-duo of the whole being about £D0, while tlie cost of labour would be as much again.
Mr. LfNiM.EY said to put down tho cost of cementing at Jd per pipe, *h intimated by tho lirst estimate given to (hem, was ridiculous. Pugging was put inside in order that the wnter should not reach tho cement out si lo, but Mr. Killy had told them of pipe* which were neither pugged nor cemented. This enly confirmed what ho had before sal I, that some of tho men employed bad scamped tho work, for which, however, ho did not blame Mr. Nlc' ols, or anyone else conccmed in tho conduct of if . The whole controversy in this matter had * risen through tho Special Works Committee not looking after the woik ; and though about £4,0011 worth of work had boon slipped out, and £4.0110 extra work added on, the committee had no knowledge of it at all; at leant up to tho 23rd of April they bad never seen certain accounts, which the Finance Committee had a pcrfect right to ask for.
Mr. Arbaiiam said he should affirm the opinion pre-
when they looked at this matter in the right light, that, **po when they wer* aaked to moeoomt fog *v*ry Uttl*
Council ought to be satisfied, and not resort to such
charge* aa had been freely mad*, and which meat weigh heavily either upon the contractor or upon tho** whom the Corporation employed. It they found a few pipe* had not been eementw. it would not justify them in saying that the whole thing had not been done aa it ought to have been. If twp eminent surveyor* were consulted as to the drawiaf out of specifications, Ac, they would very probably differ in opinion, and how could the member* of the Council, aa non-practical men, be expected to agree in such a matter as thi*. He thought they were all at sea upon the subject, but that looking at the work as a whole, they had every ground for saying that it had been fairly done.
Alderman Aslatt could not see how any of them could regard th* work as having been satisfactorily carried out when defect* were found in certain portions of the works. One authority they were asked to listen to was Mr. Charles Roger*, but he (Alderman Aslatt) did nqt know what authority he was as a practical man.
The Mayor: He wa* looking on nearly the whole time the works were in progre**, and by so constantly attending the men gave him the'name of " Clerk of the
Alderman Aslatt aaid if only sixty or seventy per cent, of the pipe* had been cemented, and aom* of them not, how oould it b* said that the work had been properly carried out!
Mr. G. P. PerkiK«, in reply, said the Council at their last meeting certified that the works were satisfactory. The report spoke only of a few joint* being without cement He wa* sorry that their time had been taken up for nothing. They had every ground for believing the statements which had been made to them, and the committee had expended much time and labour on the matter, and given great attention to it. As to Portland cement standing the action of water, that might be so ; but they would not put the cement in water to
The report of the Special Works Committee wa* then adopted *«*.,*(& \
MORg ABOUT PORT8WOOD. ' \
Mr. H. DOMLOP aakod if he oould propose-that Mr. Furber"* motion be taken next! ' ^
Mr. G. P. Perkins rose to order, on the ground that they should that day deal with the question of the resignation of the Borough Surveyor, which formed part of the report of th* Special Works Committee.
Mr. H. Donlop was, however, held to be in order,
sLssS "hi'h ™
Alderman Passekorr moved, and Mr. J. -Miller seconded, as an amendment, that the remainder of the report of the Special Works Committee be now taken.
Mr. Abraham pointed out that the town was at present in the poaition of having no surveyor.
Mr. Le Fkuvkk thought that the objection raised to taking Mr. Furber's motion was unreasonable. However, gentlemen could use their voting power as they pleased, and Ports wood was entirely at their mercy. They now saw there four or five representatives of Ports-wood whom they did not see there on the last four or five occasions when the Portswood question waa under discussion. On the 30th of March Mr. Cooper was absent Mr. Davis's absence had been occasioned through ill-health. Mr. Newman had been absent on four different occasions. Mr. Thomas he was glsd to see there. He (Mr. Le Feuvre) said as a Town Councillor, and as one of the constituents of the gentlemen he had named, that the ratepayers of Portswood ought to have the assistance of their representatives when such serious matters were being considered ; and he did regret very sincerely that gentlemen who had been absent on three or four critical occasions, should come there that day, as shown by a division in the earlier
Rart of the afternoon, and vote against the Interests of leir constituents (no, no).
Senior Bailiff Bamroma : I deny having voted against the interests of my constituent*.
Junior-Bailiff Warren : And so do I.
Mr. Pearck : Treat the accusation with contempt
Mr. Le Feuvrr : I am very glad Mr. Warren has spoken, for the first time since, a* a member of the Finance Committee, he agreed to a resolution that information should be produced as regarded expenditure. f
Alderman PASSENGER: I rise to order.
The Mayor did not think they could go into any matter* relating to the Finance Committee.
Mr. Le Feovre **id he should vote for the proposition, and added that he had to apologise, as he had been speaking heatedly . but he had been met with a serious and painful accusation on the part of Mr.
Mr. R. Newman said hi* abicnce had been can*ed by of which he thought moat of them
Mr. Thomas *aid ho wa* there to look after the interests of his constituent*, and he thought he wa* doing so. As to tho cause of his absence, be might state that l>oth his father-in-law and father were seriously ill, that one died one day and the other the next, and that he had himself to arrange for the funerals, and to per-form other duties in the capacity of executor. The votes he had given there had.been in favour of the true interests of Portswood, and against the crotchet* of one particular gentlei
had himself set the ball rolling in regsrd to _ matter which had already been so fully discussed. He should b* able on another occasion to answer foe the vote which he gave in the Finance Committee. He considered that he had done hi* duty aa a representative of the ward of All Saints, and also as a representative of the interests of Portswood ; and whether he bad made an error of judgment or not, It was not for Mr. Le Feuvre to abuse nlm (Mr. Warren) or his col leagues for the course they had pursued. He waa sure the Special Work* Committee had been acting to the best of their ability in the interest* of the dutrict; and be waa quite satisfied that when the heated passion*
best of their ability in the interests of the district; and
as quite satisfied that when the heated paasi imported Into these discussions had passed away, one would be more thankfuHor the fact than the inhabitants of Portswood themaelvea.
Alderman Aslatt thought it would be desirable that Mr. Furber's motion, which also dealt with the financial question, should come before the Council previous to the public meeting on Friday.
Mr. Cooper aaid Mr. Le Feuvre had called attention to his absence, but he thought he forgot to look roudd sometimes to see wheth*f he was there (laughter).
Mr. Furber said it waa not his intention to make any imputations upon anybody, but he desired to find out the actual state they were in with regard to Porta wood. His motion simply went to the appointment of a committee, which he believed Would become a permanent committee, if they were going to do justice to
Alderman passenger roe* to order, and a little more discussion having ensued, the votes were taken upon the amendment with th* following result
sss K'S
Miller, and Driver- Zl.
chtuchTrjuTnonUr, Luagley, Le Feuvr*, O. Dunlop. and B.
The^amendment having a majority in its favour, it was put as a substantive proposition, and earned by the
H0US1 DRAINS.—THa ATREXT TRAMWAYS.
baring reported the want of another water warns for water
road to tho eastern end of Oxford *treeL subject to the right* of the Corporation to require at any Ume the whole of the district to be paved between the rails with wood, as provided
G. P. Pmnnm mowd th* adoption of the r* rt, and in so doing said the Council had only agreed the laying down of granite sets Instead of wood been the top of Commercial-road and Waterloo-place, to the extension of the time for commencing opera-s for,three months. He believed the tramway* had got into the hands of people through whom the work would be carried out
Mr. Miller aocondod tho proposition, which was unanimously agreed to.
---------1m*tided (Messrs. Abraham, Warren, Driver. Miller,
i'aaaeiiger, and Perkins for. and Mr l'anneuterstalnst)the Cor-("ration to aoc«pt the resignation of the surveyor, and *M"»tnl Mr. Lemon consulting engineer, to design ami carry out alf nsw
tho present nr any future srstcra of draiuago, to give evidence when required, and to advlso and report upon all subject* referred to him. at a »alary of £ 1 JO per annum from the capital account, for a terra not excelling three years : snd al«o to appoint the i>re»eiit a«,i.Unt surveyor (Mr. Ilcnnett) surveyor to the Corporal ion and Sanitary Boinl, at a salary of £IM per ani-uin, to dcvot» his whole time to the duties of the office, and not to engage In private pr.'ctlce ; and that the Corp


Mr. G. P. Perkins, in moving the adoption of tho report, said they had now come to a very .serious iiues-tion, and he hoped tho Council would discus* it calmly. The re*ignatlon of Mr. Lemon would be, iu his opinion, a great loss to Southampton, unlet* they could retain his service* in somo way. That gentleman had been here for twelve years, and waa thoroughly acquainted with every part of the borough ; and if the Council lost
fact have his advice in any matter connected with the sanitary arrangement* of the borough. The salary they proposed to give Mr. Lemon was £150 per annum. Then Mr. Bennett who, though a young man, pes-
he oould resdily obtain any aaaistano* that he repaired. ** " " * made surveyor, it would b*-i have a clerk in the offioe.
They propowd to raise Mr. Bennett's salary from £115
of £615. aa compared with £375 under the arrangement suggested by the committee, this represent jg » aavlng to the ratepayers of £240 a year. Then it wa* propeeed that ss Mr. Lemon would be the engineer for new works, he should be paid for out of those work*, and If they took £150 from £240, it left them very little to pay. Well, having regard to an actual saving of £240 a-y«ar, such a aaving must prove a great benefit to the borough. Mr. Lemon had now certain matters under consideration. There were the "Wtmrn, mem* oomtmtio* with tb* So.th-W.stem Railway, and a question as the Belvidere outlet, which must be seen to, or else they would be served with an injunction through Messrs. Bull. Then the matter of the public ogee* had occupied the attention of Mr. Lemon, who had been preparingplans.
at AU Dpnlop : They have not been prepared
Mr. G. P. Perkins : Mr. Lemon told me he had partly prepared them.
The Mayor : They were aubmitted to the Council
Mr. H. Dcnlop aaid four months sgo the Council directed plans to be prepared, and the Town Clerk informed him a fortnight ago that they had not been commenced.
T'he Mayor : I said there were plans before us. m tT Wero ***** back, and the committee have not since
. G. P. Permits repeated that Mr. Lemon had told him that he had partly prepared the plana, and ex! pressed the hope that the Council would adopt the
^turior-Bailiff Warrr* had much pleasure in seconding Mr. Perkins's proposition, believing that in the interest* of the town, and especially of the inhabitant* of Portswood. the adoption of tho committee'* report would be the beat course to pur*ue.
Mr. H. Duslop aaid he did not rise at the present moment to oppose the adoption of the report, but he did not think, after the reading of the report, aad a speech from the deputy-chairman of the committee, they ought to make an appointment for three years without fair consideration. He moved an amendment to the effect that the report lie on the table, with the formal agreement drawn up as to the nature of the dutiea, that it be submitted to each member of the Council, and that the consideration of the whole subject be adjourned for a fortnight
Alderman Loxer seconded the amendment remarking that he did not think they should be bound by any contract for three years, because the Act of Parliament "prejaly prohibited *uch a thing, it being provided that all officer* should hold their positions during the pleasure of ths Corporation.
Mr. Miller said such a difficulty might be avoided by their not mentioning any definite time, though Mr. Lemon himself wished the agreement to be for three yThey would be paying £240 a-year, and would be better served than they had been for the last three or four years.
Alderman McCalmost said it having been shown that they would be saving £240 a year, ne hoped the Council would adopt the report
Mr. Driver tnought no harm could arise from adjourning the matter for a fortnight
Mr/CLEVELAND did not think they would get a larger number of the Council present on a future occasion than was the case that day. Besid#s, the Council had not been taken by surprise, because what waa contained In the report had been public property almost from the km* it was passed in committee. He had heard it right and left and he was surprised to find thst not only ths members of the Council, but the inhabitants generally, were fully acquainted with the nature of the recommendations which bad that day been submitted to the Corporation. It seemed to him that there was a little too much of that sort of thing. In times gone by report* of committees wereconsidered somewhat private, and it had been difficult for member* of the Council to obtain from members of a committee any information worth speaking of as to business transpiring in auch committee. But the caae seemed very different now. He thought however, that what waa going on in committee ahould not appear in the newapapera, or be a aubject for diacuaaion out of door* before it had been di*cu**ed by the Council.
The SugRirr hoped that thi* matter would not be hurried through the Council that day, a* they thould have the ba*i* of the arrangement thoroughly laid before them, and also the principle upon which the officers were to be appointed. He had heard nothing more about the matter than that Mr. Lemon waa to be appointed consulting engineer and Mr. Bennett ss surveyor. with someone to assist him. He was always anxious to avoid getting work done too cheaply, because the general re*ult of *uch a *y*tem wa* that efficiency waa *acriticed thereby, and he could not see how they could expect much *ervice* for £150 a year aa they had been paying £300 a year for.
Alderman Pamesoer maid the arrangement was made by the committee after cool and calm deliberation, and he urged that it would not be to the internet* of the ratepayer* that the matter ahould be deferred. The; would retain the services of the nreeent surveyor, and would not only save £240 a year, but a large prospective expense which they would have to incur if a new surveyor came there. Mr. Bennett too, under Mr. Lemon, would doubtless prove a most efficient surveyor for Southampton in course of time.
Mr. Furbeb thought it an extraordinary proceeding to try and hurry this matter through the Council, and said they were not to be blinded by having £240 dangled In front of their eye*. Did Mr. Perkins con aider that the scheme adopted for. the last twelve or fourteen years had broken down altogether?
Mr. G. P. Perkiks : I think Mr. Furber is equally able to mdge of that himself.
Mr. & urbxb said they were now told that they would be better served for less money, but what was their experience a few year* ago. when they had a badly paid surveyor and allowed him a commission upon all new works ? They then came to the conclusion that they must have a surveyor to devote hi* services entirely to the town, and upon t%T—principle Mr. Lemon wa* appointed. And how ooula they expect him to metre them better when he was only half-paid? and mors than that, hitherto he had been paid not only for oonaultUion,
4 Alderman Aslatt thought they had not lieard sufficient aa to the cause of Mr. Lemon's resignation, and wanted to know whether Mr. Lemon waa to receive commission on new works besides £150 a year (Mr. G P. Perkiks : No). As to a new surveyor Involving the town in freah expense, before anything wa* carried out it would have to come before that Council; while In regard to aaving £240 a year, it was like a person effecting a aaving by going without his dinner and supper (laughter). If they did not get the entire services of their surveyor, they would not save any expense.
Mr. Lb Fkuvrk said he ahould confine himself as nearly as poaaible to two considerations. When Mr. Lemon waa appointed twelve years ago. It waa in accordance with the terms of an advertisement which stated'that "the person appointed must devote his whole time to the performance of whatever dutiea be may be called upon to discharge in the town, and not engage in or fojlow any privet* practice whatever"— the aalary at the time being £400 a year. In 1873 Mr. Lemon suggested an alteration of the term*, and a proposal by the committee for the inrveyor * salary to remain at £400 and for him to be at liberty to take external practice was negatived. Subsequently, in May, 1875, Mr. Lemon's salary waa increased by £100, he " to continue In the office and perform the dntie* aa at preeent" for three years. But he had no heeitation in saying that Mr. Lemon had departed both from the spirit and the letter of that reaolution, he having accepted the appointment of engineer to the Win-cheater drainage works, while — though he (Mr> Lo^Feuvre) could not say Whether he had h£a any standing appointment* there—he had also had engagement* at Newbury and Basingstoke. And in making those engagement* Mr. Lemon had not been so well able to supervise the works of the town as they had a right to expect from him. If Mr. Lemon departed from the terms of hi* agreement when they paid him £500 a year, waa he likely to adhere to them when they paid nim only £150? He suspected that they would get very little indeed for their outlay of £150, and ho believed the suggested saving of £240 a year would be the moet extravagant vote the Council had committed itself to for a long number of yeara. As to Mr. Bennett though he agreed with all that had been «ald aa to hi* merits, ho oould not give more than all his services : and if he gave them now for £115—to which aom the aalary had been recently increased—why further increaae his salary to £150? Mr. Le Feuvre then complained that some of the works in the toVn had been abeolutely neglected, and he urged that Mr. Lemon's other engagement* bad prevented his giving that attention to *uch work* which he would hare otherwi»c done. A complaint wa* made two years sgo about the Belvidere sewer, and yet nothing had been done (no). Then as to the public offices, somo plana were preeentcd at a meeting in December which had been drawn up some six months before, and in order to cut down the expense entirely now plans and designs were asked for —these being the plans to which Mr. Dunlop alluded as not having been got ready. He contended that tho whole work of the town had been neglected through the more valuable engagement* which Mr. Lemon waa at tho present time securing. Ho should not lie satisfied unless, in the change to be msde. they had, if not a tirst claas man, one who was but| little inferior to a first-class man, to carry out the neccssary work* in the town.
Mr. ABRAHAM said the issue of false economy was a very fair one to raise ; but the whole argument amounted to thia—whether they were to fetain Mr. Lemon'* services, or whether they were not IIo hoped the Portswood people woitld understand the real issue at stake. It was recommended that thoy should save £240 per annum in the surveyor'* department ; and in making this saving they knew they would not have the whole of Mr. Lemon's time ; but neither could Uiev have it if they gave him £500 a year. Mr. Lemon had resigned, and it l*yme necessary to make somo arrangement. And nojntritoee could be served by an adjournment, which appeared to have been proposed for the purpose of getting up aom* more public clamour. Thoy had heard a specimen of that Way in an attack upon gentlemen for not attending upon previous occasions. In Mr. Lemon they would havo the advantage of a great deal of scientific knowledge in relation to matters connected with Southampton, the lack of which would cost them probably a great deal of money if they had a new surveyor. Mr. Lunnley had accused the Special Works Committee of a gross dereliction of duty. What a great pity it was

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doubti there were alterationa in the contract bet if they placed any confidence in an engineer, they most allow him a discretionary power. He believed the adoption of the report of the committee wa* the beat thing they conld do in the interests of the town."
Mr. Whitchcrch should vote for the amendment be-Iievtng it to be only right that the ratepayers shoul. bave a voice in the matter.
Mr. Lckglry complained of Mr. Abraham's remark about people being born in sewer*, and Mr. Abraham explained that it had no personal allusion whatever.— Mr. Lckoley then, after a few remarks about the Porta-wood contract, stated that he should be sorry to lose Mr. Lemon * services, and he should vote for the report, on the ground that there wa* so much in th* town requiring to be done. If the system did not work, bow-ever, he should be prepared to propose an alteratioo.
Mr. (,. P. Perkiks, re reply, said as to the complaint which had been made about the Belvidere sewer, a few year* ago aom* dredging wa* carried out to remedy what waa complained of, and no doubt since then there had been another accumulation. A* to the cause of Mr. lamon's resignation, there wa* no necessity to touch upon that — bat he had been well-nigh worried to death, pretty nearly killed, and therefore had a right to resign. He hoped they would succeed in retaining Mr. Lemon's
The Council then divided upon the amendment a* follow*
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The amendment waa therefore loat* and upon the original motion being put, it wa* carried by a reversal of the vote*, and tl)e Council *eparated, after a fitting extending over three hours and a half.
ST. MARY EXTRA SCHOOL BOARD.
The second meeting of this Board waa held on Monday, at the Pear Tree Vicarage, when there were present the Revs. T. L. O. Davie* (chairman), J. O'Brien Hoare, and R. Lrquhart; Messrs. T. R. Oswald, R. R. L. Roeoman, W. S. Luke, and W. H. Chapman.
The Clerk (Mr. C. S. Sutton) read a letter from the Rev. T. L. O. Da vies, stating that the managers of the Pear Tree National Scboola would be willing to transfer their buildings to the School Boanl upon certain condition*. Without, however, finally pledging themselves to ths terms set forth by the managers of the St Mark's Schools, Wools ton, they thought they would suit their a*e al*o. With a letter from the Itev. J. S. Davie*, atating that the manager* of the St Mark * School*, were willing to transfer the buildings to the School Board, were transmitted the terms ol such transfer, which might be thus summarised The leaae of the fchool-house, playground, and premises, with the furniture and fittings, for twenty one years, at a rent of 5s. per annum, in half-yearly payments: the managers to be freed from all expenses ; the Board to pay all rate* and taxes now or hereafter charged upon the premise* : the premise*, with fixture*. &c., to be kept in good tenantable repair ; the building* to be inaured for £750, and. In the event of the schools, or any portion of th*m being deatroyed by fire, the *nm* received from the insurance company to be expended in rebuilding, Ac., in a manner aatiafactory to the surveyor managers; the managers to be allowed at all
the managers to havo the exclusive use of the premise*, with the fitting* and furniture, every evening (excepting four evening* in the year), between the hour* of 5 and 10 30, and al*o for the whole day on Saturday*, Sundays, Christmas Day, Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and Ascension Day ; and that in the case of the Bible not being read at the Board School, and auch religioua education given aa ia contemplated by the proviaiona of the Elementary Education Act It should be lawful for the managers to provide such instruction during the first three Quarters of an hour each day, they to have the use of the premises for such time for the purposes of giving such instruction. Provision is mime made for terminating the lease. — The Chairman mentioned that tho manager* of the Pear Tree Schools would require them to be insured for £800.—A letter from Mr. Blay stated that while the trustees of tho schools attached to St Mary's Presbyterian Church desired to co-operate with the Board and provide tern-porary accommodation there for them, they regretted that on tho ground of technical difficulties they could not entertain tho proposal contained in a letter addressed to the Rev. R. Urquhart, tho minister at St Mary'a —The Rov. R. Urqchart said his trustees regretted exceedingly thit thoy were unable, through technical difficulties, to let the schools for a temporary purpose. They were closely connected with the church, there being a direct communication with
. thought * constant interference would bo occasioned, added to which the children would havo access to the church grounds. He very much regretted the difficulties which presented themselves, and that regret wa* shared equally by the trustee*.—Mr. Roso-mak : I very much regret the circumstance, because it is the very place where we most wanted a school for a tem poraryjiurpoae. —The Clerk next read a letter from the Rev. FADaviilson, vicar of Sholing, stating that he had been unable yet to call the managers of the St. Mary's Sholing Girls' National Schools together to consider the possible transfer of th*** school* *
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proposed for the St. Mark's and Pear Tree Green Schools, thought the Board might require them for more than four evenings in the year.—The Chairman did not think there would be any difficulty in granting more evenings to tho Board". In fact, he did not imagine that there would be the slightest difficulty in the Board getting the schools whenever they wanted them.—Mr. Rosomak said in a school which the Hound School Board had at Sholing Common, a proviso waa made that In the event of th* Board enlarging the achool, when It waa taken back by the managers the Board reimbursed their outlay. They had there ~
the Board enlarged them, they could not take them back without reimbursing the Board for their outlay ; and that being so, the lease became really irrevocable.
and therefore they wished to provide against the school* being without religion* instruction at all at any time by making the clause In the terms as to the manager* being empp#er*d ta-naathe first three quarters of an hour for such in*traction. If ever It wa* neglected to be provided.—Mr. Chapsiak thought 21 years was too short a time for th* leaae, and urged that they should come to some arrangement as to what should be done in regard to the matter of reimbursement—The Chairman : I think that matter would preaent no difficulty.—Mr. Oswald wa* of opinion that more evening* thould bo set apart for the use of the schools by the Board. He supposed the managers would not require them more than two or three days a week.—The Chairman said they would require the schools comparatively little during the summer months. There was a choir practice one* a-week, and various public meetings. Including vestry meetings, were held from time to time. In the winter a night achool might be held there, and now and then a concert, lecture, or entertainment might be given.—Mr. Roaoman said if they were going to lay out a lot of money on their mchools. it would be well, perhaps, to have a leaae for ninety nine year*.—Mr. Oswald believed that instead of enlarging the existing school* to any great extent the best policy would b* to build some new schools in a central position.—The Rev. IL Urqchart: If my schools had been altogether detached from my church, there would have been no difficulty at all in granting their use to the Board.—The Chairman : In my opinion we shall have to build immediately.—Mr. Oswald proposed that the Board require the extenaion of the term of the leaae to ninety-nine years, that-any moneva expended upon the enlargement of the achool* should be repaid by the managers if taken back by them, that the Board have the u*e of the buildings twelve evening* in ths year instead of four, and that Aah Wednesday should be struck out of the days on which the schools should be set spart for the use of the managers.-Olr. Rosoman seconded the motion, which waa carried, and then, upon the proposition of the Rev. J. O Biuen Hoare, seconded by the Rev. R. Urquuart, it was resolved to send a copy-6K the draft agreement, as amended by the Board, to the Kov. K Davidson, vicar of Sholing, with the requeat that an answer tWreto might be furnished by the next meeting of the Board.
there waa no sensible alteration in tho number <>f ohil. dren not attending *chool at the present time ami the number givenin 1877—238. These figure*related tochd dren between tho age* of three and 14.—Mr. Rosoman said that being so, a deduottfn must be made for the children between three and five.—The Chairman mentioned that some 230 children did not attend school, and that the existing schools were quite full.—It was Incidentally atated that tho attendances at the Pear Tree and St. Mark's Schools had l*eu a* high aa 2*0 snd 270 respectively.—Tho Rev. J. O'Brien Ho.vre suggested
—. ataff.—Mr." Chapman : Wo ahould not build achool to accommodate lea* than 330.—The Itev. J. O'Briek Hoare, in reply to a question, said he took it that they would require a master, an assistant master, and three pupil teachers.—Mr. IIosouan : A school for 330 would oomt mboet WgWyThR CHAIRMAN :Th* coat would be about £0 per head —The Rev. J. O Briek Hoare believed they would also have to build a achool for infanta at Weston. There was a strip of land to be sold there now. It took in both Newtown and Wes-ton, and a few stragglers from Sholing. Ho proposed that Messrs. Rosoman and Chapman be appointed a aub-committco to inspect sites for a new achool at Wool-a ton, which was seconded by Mr. Oswald, and unani-
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waa instructed to make inquiries of Mr. Fowler and at the Cooperative Store* aa to the term* upon which -
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Chairman for allowing the Board to meet at hi, houso waa passed, upon the motion of Mr. Oswald seconded
SOUTH STONEUAM BOARD or GUARDIANS.
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R.N., Maior-General Lewis, Captain Oliver, Lieut-Colooal Ward, and Captain Andrew. fLN. (elected Guardians); and Captain T. H. M. Martin. R.N., J.P. (er-o^oo).
numbers in the hocsr.
The Master (Mr. Brown) reported that tho number of paupers In the House for the past week were 225, which, compared with 217 in the corresponding period of last yesr, shbws an increase of eight There had been two deaths in the House during the fortnight
r*ad the following letter from Captain C. H. Beat a former member of the Board, with respect to the reaolution passed at the last meeting, on the occasion of hia retirement after a service of yMrs^-"Fn*bll5, Southampton. 3Gth April, l&Ar-My Dear Sir—Pray make to the Guardian* of the South Stoneham Union my warmeat thank* for their kmdneam expreaaed toward* me in their resolution,
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a question op nok-resident relief. .
A letter waa read from the Clerk to the Fareham Boanl of Guardians, stating that the resolution which had born pem**d mom* tim* mine* to dimcontinue all their non-resident relief had been rescinded, and that any relief discontinued in consequence of tho former letter iu November last would now be re-granted. upon the Guardians being satisfied that the circumstances of the applicants were such as to entitle them to it
Leave of absence was granted to Dr. Shiel for three week*, commencing from the 11th of May. another medical gentleman, as prescribed by the Poor law regulations, having been mentioned aa a substitute during that period.
Tm« varcnuno* mnu***.
In accordance with the communication recently received from the Local Government Board with reference te th* n**l*ct that took pise* in th* dutiem of the vaccinaUon officers. Mr. N is bet wrote saving " I
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received and will distribute as early as possible."— Mr. Stewart wrote saying " In reference to the letter from the Local Government Board, I beg to state that in the laat return* I sent in there were twenty one children not accounted for; the% wer* not certiSed ma being un(it, but owing to the ; Prevalence of memsle*.L&c.. the doctor* did not think it prudent to vaccinate them. I find I had *erved thirty-eight notices un to tho end of December, 1S77, and that portion of Dr. SWveni's report which *tatc* that tho ca*es aro not properly attended to I beg to say is not correct. 1 have visited many of them—mom* three and others four or more times. Dr. Dayman has no regular period* to vaccinate : aoveral children have^been taken to hi* surgery
notice* indiscriminately /inder these . c.____
stances would be almost useless."—Both letters were ordered to be forwarded to the I.ocal Government
RRTKATMX MR TMR MnUiRB*.
Tho Ch.wrmak said Mr. Buchau had boon good enough, in compliance with the wish of tho Board, to . draw out plans for swings. Ac., for tho boy* and girla in the playground, and Mr. Harria had eatimatod the coat to be about £7.—Tlie* Board sanctioned this cxpondi-
Tho CiIaibmak mentioned that in accordance with tho instructions of the Board, Mr. W. II. Mitchell, architect, of Southampton, had prepared and forwarded. plans and specifications as to tho water supply of the Houm* mbd th* provision of a drying closet, but in tho absence of Mr. Chapman, who, as a member of the Building Committee, had taken a great interest in tho matter, ho should suggest that their consideration should be deferred until he warn present.—After ammo discus* sion it was decided that tho Rnilding Committee should l>e summoned to meet with Mr. Mitchell at noon on Tuesday next, and that tbeif report should be presented at the following meeting of the Board. ^
In transacting the usual routine of relief business, a woman, twenty-Er* year* of age. tk* wife of one of the first-class Army Reserve, who had joined him dep. t at Fort Elaon, Gosport, applied for relief f«r her»elf and three children, who had thus been rendered destitute.— • Tho case was introduced by Captain Andrew, who, in the course of some discussion, mentioned that the man, as a member of tho Reserve, received 4d. a day, but until he had connected himself with the dej*>t for a month, the extra provisions! relief to his wife and family would not be granted, but at the expiration of that period they would bo allowed at tho rat* of 7s. per week. The children wore aged respectively one, three, and five years, and eventually it waa decided to allow the applicant 5*. per week for two weeka, on loan, this being a principle adopted by many other unions in the country under similar circumstances.
thr representation op sooth stoneham.
Mr. Gater said that it had been thought by aeveral gentlemen that the parish of South Stoueham waa not adequately represented at that Board, for he found that a very large proportion of their out-door relief laid in the district of Porta wood, and ho thought thst there could be found a gentleman in that neighbourhood who would be quite willing to undertake the duties.—Tho Defctt-Clerk (Mr. H. E. Robins) said the course to he adopted would be for a memorial to that effect to be forwarded for the consideration of the Local Government Board. —MrT1 Bcchan : Then there will be a contested election. involving the ratepayers in an expenditure of £40 or £50 ?-The Chairman : I certainly don't think that would be the case.—It waa mentioned that the interests of this particular neighbourhood had been overlooked by the resignation of Mr. McCalmont ; but Captain andrew pointed out that Mr. Owton lived close by in the district and took very great interest in the relief awarded to the reiidenta thpre.—The chairman believed that the work could be satisfactorily got through during the present year, although on the n
it would be a* well to nominate an extra Guardian.— The consideration of the question was deferred in tho absence of Mr. Owton.
The Board having constituted themselves a Sanitary Authority, a letter waa read from the Local Govern-
Pern, and Shiel. and requesting that they might be forwarded with aa little delay as powible.—The Depctt-Clerk explained that it was renuired of the medical officers of health that copies of the reports forwarded by them to the Board should be sent to the authorities lu London, and Dr. Symonds and Dr. Ive* only had complied with this regulation.—It was decided that the three gentlemen named in the letter should be communicated with at once.
the nuisance at redbridoe.
With reference to the nuuance arising from Messrs. Hall and Co.'a chemical works at Redbridge, Mr. Buchan handed in a memorial signed by 130 of the inhabitant*, proteating against the inactivity of ' the Board in reference to the Redbridge nuisance, which, by the abominable gases given off, wa* alike most injurious to health and vegetation. Letters aetting forth specific grounds of complaint wero read from Mr. Ridges and Mr. Dayman, brother to the officer of health, and Mr. Buchan produced several plot* of withered grass as showing the disastrous effect upon vegetation, a distinct tract of three acres of long grass having been rendered perfectly withered and worthless in consequenco of the action of the fume*. An instance warn given in which the value of property in the neighbourhood had been serioualy affected, Mr. Buah, the inspector of nuisances, mentioning that a market gardener there intended having the damage to hi* crops properly valued, with a view to aueingC'ol. Hall for damages.— A long discussion ensued, in which it was pointed out that tho ^powers of the Board as a rural Sanitary Authority were distinct from those in a town like Southampton, whose Corporation warn constituted an Urban Sanitiry Authority, and that in the absence of the report of their medical officer certifying that tho uce was injurious to health, they wore.powi-rless
___jve. —It was decided eventually to forward tho
memorial and communication* to the l»cal Government Board, asking them to send down an inspector. —The Assessment Committee afterward* sat, but there was other business of any public importance before the
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